Season 36 Round 47 / 60
Game Time 2024 Apr 19, 04:43 UTC(+00:00)
Questions to Tegimus
IceBox
2022-10-05 07:55
Raicu Alin Daniel wrote :
Really trying to understand the match engine but lately I fail in doing so. Lots of unrealistic formations that shouldn't make sense in the real world seem to work in the f4football world. Been playing for a few good seasons and I consider the ME the main problem here; How can I be absolutely dominated by a team with no central defenders, rating and experience lower than mine? https://www.f4football.com/matches/report/42877

I find this match to be a little outrageous to be honest in terms of dominance of the opponent team and the fact that he frickin' used 2 WB as their only defenders. Think ME would really need a rework, but that's just me. But these kind of matches happening too often will make users leave the game, that's my oppinion.
I really think we should restrict the number of players used in a position or on a side( where do we see teams playing with ML, AML and FL?); you could make some restrictions for some particular cases in wich you can't be allowed to save tactics where at least 3 defenders aren't on the field, a maximum of 3 players per side (DL/WBL;ML/AML; FL) etc; with a little effort these kind of absurd formations can be avoided. Cheers!


Because that team has an amazing coach.

Funny you critize for playing on a side and you play everyone on the middle. Why cant a team play with ML AML and WL but you can play with DMC MC AM and FC?
Mr. Ske πŸ”₯
2022-10-05 07:55
Hahaha Icebox .. good one...although i agree with Alin but still he played with low morale players...

Take for instance this..i draw with Fathima in CC home game...bit i wont in league against much better opponents until now..so yeah ME needs to change..but this is another story...been talking this for a year now πŸ˜“
IceBox
2022-10-05 08:00
Mr. Ske πŸ”₯ wrote :
Hahaha Icebox .. good one...although i agree with Alin but still he played with low morale players...

Take for instance this..i draw with Fathima in CC home game...bit i wont in league against much better opponents until now..so yeah ME needs to change..but this is another story...been talking this for a year now πŸ˜“


Better sides do not always win in real live. Madrid lost at home to Sheriff

https://www.f4football.com/matches/report/5417 i lost this game and i didnt came here to whining about it
Mr. Ske πŸ”₯
2022-10-05 08:01
This is true..it is football

But still immagine playing your formation in real life .. you would lose even more πŸ˜…
Fathima
2022-10-05 08:07 Edited by Fathima at 2022-10-05 08:11
Raicu Alin Daniel wrote :
Really trying to understand the match engine but lately I fail in doing so. Lots of unrealistic formations that shouldn't make sense in the real world seem to work in the f4football world. Been playing for a few good seasons and I consider the ME the main problem here; How can I be absolutely dominated by a team with no central defenders, rating and experience lower than mine? https://www.f4football.com/matches/report/42877

I find this match to be a little outrageous to be honest in terms of dominance of the opponent team and the fact that he frickin' used 2 WB as their only defenders. Think ME would really need a rework, but that's just me. But these kind of matches happening too often will make users leave the game, that's my oppinion.
I really think we should restrict the number of players used in a position or on a side( where do we see teams playing with ML, AML and FL?); you could make some restrictions for some particular cases in wich you can't be allowed to save tactics where at least 3 defenders aren't on the field, a maximum of 3 players per side (DL/WBL;ML/AML; FL) etc; with a little effort these kind of absurd formations can be avoided. Cheers!

With that kind of morale, the result is not at all unexpected. But I seriously do not understand how your morale can go so low in just 10 rounds of the season. Are you not playing any friendlies? If not, you should start playing one every round, to remove any morale loss from losing matches. After every loss, play the next friendly with your first team (use all 3 subs to give them morale boost too). Disable xp gains from such friendlies if the youth that you are training are not part of your first team, you can afford to play 30 friendlies without xp gains since only 30 friendlies give you xp.

Now coming back to the match, if you were at a higher morale even in the 90s, you could have easily won it. But lower morale must have taken your player's effective ratings much lower than their real rating. Opponent also had the advantage of playing at home. All these combined obviously made you the weaker team in the matchup. You still managed to get shots on target, which shows the weakness was there in the opposition's defense. First shot @ 1 min- easily gathered by the GK. Second one @39 min - saved by the GK.

If you read through the report, you can see how many times the final ball given away by your team easily. It was not tackles that gave them back possession, it was your passes being intercepted too easily - another effect of low morale. One critical tackle by Xavi Russo, and two key interceptions by Barnabas Gimpel - shows how much experienced players can contribute to the game. They both got back to defend when needed and it proved crucial.

Gabriele Nichols, Rashid Cross and Inness Etxebarria were passing the ball around in that triangle. They kept the ball within themselves easily, and your players didn't press - since you asked your players to press in own half only. Even if you forget about the low morale issue here, not pressing is an easy way to giving up control of the game against weaker opposition especially if they play smart and opt for possession play style. Against stronger opposition, it a different story altoghether. In this match your morale made you the weaker team and the early goal gave your opponent total domination by just keeping the ball. And when you did get the ball, your players gave it back to them again cheaply.

And my final point is - yes I agree there is a lot of improvement to be done in the match engine. Not just punishing irregular tactics, but improving effect of stamina, better simulation of width vs no width -offensively and defensively, defensive tactics conceding too many goals etc. But this match is definitely not an example of a match engine issue, there were plenty of reasons why your players were terrible on the pitch.
Don-x
2022-10-05 08:13
That game should be canceled @icebag banned.
Imo that's frustrating a formation like that could win a cl game and a div 2 team as that.
Don-x
2022-10-05 08:31 Edited by Don-x at 2022-10-05 08:35
Any way previous post was joke" no one is @icebag
I've not bother to check the stats of that game, but having nearly lost my last season title to that ridiculous formation, when his gk was a DM.
I strongly believe morale was not the sole reason he lost that game.
The amount of crossing vs through balls plays its part, when offside trap reduces the centrally away side chances, that will not be said about the home side crossing.
Maybe i need to check the match stats before commenting but i would rather say congrat to the winner and goodluck next time to the loser, than check something meaningless to me right now.
Marius
2022-10-05 09:36
ME or not, Icebox should not be in this season's SC in the first place. He has chosen to move to a division not eligible for international competitions.

The moving to another country thing, as it is now, is a total mistake by the admins. It would have made sense in the future, by moving to a new country, not by disrupting existing competitions. In Spain two teams have been robbed of their SC spots because two managers were allowed to move.
IceBox
2022-10-05 09:45
So much whining. Ahahahah
Mr. Ske πŸ”₯
2022-10-05 10:21
IceBox wrote :
So much whining. Ahahahah


+1

Country does not have any sense..no one has been robbed ;)
Raicu Alin Daniel
2022-10-05 13:16
Fathima wrote :
Raicu Alin Daniel wrote :
Really trying to understand the match engine but lately I fail in doing so. Lots of unrealistic formations that shouldn't make sense in the real world seem to work in the f4football world. Been playing for a few good seasons and I consider the ME the main problem here; How can I be absolutely dominated by a team with no central defenders, rating and experience lower than mine? https://www.f4football.com/matches/report/42877

I find this match to be a little outrageous to be honest in terms of dominance of the opponent team and the fact that he frickin' used 2 WB as their only defenders. Think ME would really need a rework, but that's just me. But these kind of matches happening too often will make users leave the game, that's my oppinion.
I really think we should restrict the number of players used in a position or on a side( where do we see teams playing with ML, AML and FL?); you could make some restrictions for some particular cases in wich you can't be allowed to save tactics where at least 3 defenders aren't on the field, a maximum of 3 players per side (DL/WBL;ML/AML; FL) etc; with a little effort these kind of absurd formations can be avoided. Cheers!

With that kind of morale, the result is not at all unexpected. But I seriously do not understand how your morale can go so low in just 10 rounds of the season. Are you not playing any friendlies? If not, you should start playing one every round, to remove any morale loss from losing matches. After every loss, play the next friendly with your first team (use all 3 subs to give them morale boost too). Disable xp gains from such friendlies if the youth that you are training are not part of your first team, you can afford to play 30 friendlies without xp gains since only 30 friendlies give you xp.

Now coming back to the match, if you were at a higher morale even in the 90s, you could have easily won it. But lower morale must have taken your player's effective ratings much lower than their real rating. Opponent also had the advantage of playing at home. All these combined obviously made you the weaker team in the matchup. You still managed to get shots on target, which shows the weakness was there in the opposition's defense. First shot @ 1 min- easily gathered by the GK. Second one @39 min - saved by the GK.

If you read through the report, you can see how many times the final ball given away by your team easily. It was not tackles that gave them back possession, it was your passes being intercepted too easily - another effect of low morale. One critical tackle by Xavi Russo, and two key interceptions by Barnabas Gimpel - shows how much experienced players can contribute to the game. They both got back to defend when needed and it proved crucial.

Gabriele Nichols, Rashid Cross and Inness Etxebarria were passing the ball around in that triangle. They kept the ball within themselves easily, and your players didn't press - since you asked your players to press in own half only. Even if you forget about the low morale issue here, not pressing is an easy way to giving up control of the game against weaker opposition especially if they play smart and opt for possession play style. Against stronger opposition, it a different story altoghether. In this match your morale made you the weaker team and the early goal gave your opponent total domination by just keeping the ball. And when you did get the ball, your players gave it back to them again cheaply.

And my final point is - yes I agree there is a lot of improvement to be done in the match engine. Not just punishing irregular tactics, but improving effect of stamina, better simulation of width vs no width -offensively and defensively, defensive tactics conceding too many goals etc. But this match is definitely not an example of a match engine issue, there were plenty of reasons why your players were terrible on the pitch.


I agree with you in the most part of your post but sorry, a morale issue should not lose to that formation like.. ever... I rest my case, I see people get offended really fast in here when you make some input that can pottentialy make the game more appealing not just for me, but for others aswell... Keep it as it is now and in a year time, nobody will care about it just those who benefit from these crazy formations.... As a side note, i didnt always played on the middle, tried all kind of setups but not a 2 defender one, maybe that is why i failed to have any succes till now. But hey, I'm not an amazing coach as the one who beat me in SC, like @IceBox said
Guildmaster Chax
2022-10-05 13:17
IceBox wrote :
So much whining. Ahahahah

told ya morale is the real killer.
people complained about the wrong stuff, lol.

though, not exactly wrong. i've had my fun with 3 CBs, 3 DMs, 1 MC, and 3 AMs for a full season.
not exactly winning either, heh.
Don-x
2022-10-05 13:30
Guildmaster Chax wrote :
IceBox wrote :
So much whining. Ahahahah

told ya morale is the real killer.
people complained about the wrong stuff, lol.

though, not exactly wrong. i've had my fun with 3 CBs, 3 DMs, 1 MC, and 3 AMs for a full season.
not exactly winning either, heh.

Xp over morale, @chika just beat me 0-2 in custom game today because of the three 90+ xp addition to his team.
59xp 91xp gk was a beast saving every header and shots as expected.
I've seen that am in big trouble in next league match against great stars.
Tegimus
2022-10-05 14:56
Marius wrote :
ME or not, Icebox should not be in this season's SC in the first place. He has chosen to move to a division not eligible for international competitions.

The moving to another country thing, as it is now, is a total mistake by the admins. It would have made sense in the future, by moving to a new country, not by disrupting existing competitions. In Spain two teams have been robbed of their SC spots because two managers were allowed to move.

As I have said previously, it was a mistake from our part letting division 1 teams move. It won't be allowed anymore (unless when new leagues are opened of course).
Uchiha
2022-10-08 14:05
ME not right now...Staff issue Eipix hurt me for placing a bid on that attacking Coach,It will cost me 2 training sessions without attacking CoachπŸ˜”...The Question now, how is this possible ok,I place a bid at 05:00am then 15:00 Eipix outbid me or the board did not allow me to place a bid again fine,I Search another Attacking Coach Wich cost 31 359 the board allow this bid,But refuse on 26 936 Why is that?Now I have to wait for another 12 Hours or more,But someone else will wait just 7 hours and not miss a single Training Session.. Sorry for my English and long writing,ME just frustrated
Fathima
2022-10-08 19:10
As I understand it is a way to stop people from chasing staff to annoy others. So you can always bid the first bid on any staff without board interfering but to outbid someone you need a certain bank balance. Just think about it, cheaters can always outbid you from a second account in case this was not like that.

What I do when I don't have a staff in a certain skills is - i train players on another skill until i get one. Should not be a big deal. But yes i agree it is sometimes frustrating
Don-x
2022-10-20 19:30
What has changed? The match simulating time has increased from 4min to 10min.
Don-x
2022-10-24 12:09
Wheres the global award, do i've to login/out
Great stars
2022-10-24 21:30
We will be able To see Exp Next season Like a Atribute? Like, for example: Handling 55, Reflexes 53....etc and at the end, exp like one more skill, So we can see How much our rating is the attributes and how much is the exp of the player? Ej: a 70 rated player can be 80 attributes and 60 exp, But also 60 attributes and 80 exp, But rating wil be 70..
Great stars
2022-10-24 21:30
So We Would Know Which Players need More Playtime To Improve his rating...